IT is sort of like a dictator. IT rules and controls everything, and the citizens have no say in anything that he does. IT has a different way of doing things too. IT doesn't want his people to suffer, so IT puts the people who are suffering to "sleep," so the people don't suffer from their illness or old age. Captain Jaggery also is a dictator. He controls everyone on his ship and the crew has to do as he says. Captain Jaggery has the first and second mate, who are sort of like the assistant captains. Even though they are technically in charge too, Captain Jaggery doesn't let them make decisions or do anything of their own. If Captain Jaggery doesn't like or appreciate something the crew does, he either tortures/punishes them or he kills them painfully and slowly. Dying slowly and painfully is the worst way to die. I would rather have IT as a leader instead of Captain Jaggery. IT makes all of the decisions and those decisions seem to be the right ones. IT makes IT's followers have a good life. If they are sick or of old age, IT puts them to sleep quickly with out any fuss, so they don't have to suffer at all. Even if IT hypnotizes everyone who lives on Camazotz, it is a better life. There is no crime or violence, so there are hardly any accidental deaths on Camazotz. Captain Jaggery just kills everyone he doesn't want or like, just like he did to Cranick. IT isn't a good leader either, but IT's better than Captain Jaggery.
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Hagrid
5/25/2013 04:01:32 am
You have set the bar high with the first posting. You make your argument very well. I wonder if others will agree or not. I also wonder if others will be able to provide such a detailed and articulate analysis.
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Chuck E. Muckle
5/28/2013 11:18:46 am
I seeyour point when you say that IT is better because of his/ her "no pain" motto but remember, IT doesn't like those who disobey his rhythm so he does punish his citizens. Also IT doesn't have emotion nor a heart since it's literally all brain so nothings stopping him from leaving you alone and not giving a hoot about and then in just a matter or seconds just obliterating you for not following his exact lead. Finally, IT also hypnotizes others to gain followers so not only is there a chance that you will get murdered any day if you mess up the flow you will also lose your freedom of your own thought since your mind has just been probed by IT. They are both terrible leaders and choosing one side is like choosing poison or a way of execution because they both have pain in the end wether physical, like Jaggery, or mental, like IT.
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Taylorgomez143
5/29/2013 11:39:03 am
Although i definately agree with you Chuck E Muckle, but the heart isnt what controls emotion, the brain does
RRSB
5/30/2013 03:19:21 pm
I agree, I would want IT as my leader rather than Jaggery who is a heartless monster.
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Annie
5/28/2013 08:35:25 am
IT rules Camazotz in a dictatorship style. He controls everyone and has programmed the citizens to do everything in their lives in rhythm. All IT wants is to be the leader of a perfect planet and to hold all the power. I wouldn't say he leads Camazotz as he actually, in way, is Camazotz. IT is the brain of every single person and therefore controls every single thing. A leader is there for others to follow, not to actually be others! Captain Jaggery runs the Seahawk, also as a dictator. He tells his crew what to do and works them far too hard. Everything Captain Jaggery says must go because he is in charge. Anyone that gets in his way can and will be killed. The two approaches to dealing with problems belonging to IT and Captain Jaggery are very similar. Jaggery kills anyone who gets in his way by himself, right there on the spot or by torturing, and IT does it by putting them to "sleep". IT is literally heartless because IT is only a brain and has no emotion. IT thinks like a machine and therefore doesn't really think about the emotional aspect of anything, making IT both physically and emotionally heartless. Jaggery has a heart, but based on his actions so far, it appears that he doesn't. He is alright with straight up killing someone right there on the spot. If you anger or defy him, you are on his bad side, a sworn enemy and no one should be an enemy of Captain Jaggery because he will not hesitate to kill or severely injure anyone that stands in his path. That right there proves his heartlessness. IT is controlling and demanding in the way that he has power over all the citizens of Camazotz, requiring them to do as he says and in rhythm. Jaggery must have all the power on the ship and is willing to eliminate anyone that is a threat. Both of these supposed leaders are power hungry, which is not an admirable characteristic of a leader. They must be at the top. They must be in charge. They must have all the power and authority. If I had to choose, I would choose IT as a leader because IT isn't nearly as ruthless as Jaggery and I could actually live a life. Sure, I would be under his control, but at least I won't have take part in manual labour as everything would be computerized. If you were to be killed by your ruler, with IT it would be quick and painless, but with Jaggery, he may torture you. Also, IT is only a brain. It has no heart so you can only blame IT so much for IT's actions. Jaggery is a human and has emotion, but just decides not to listen to it, which is ten times worse than not having that option at all. Plus, IT has good intentions (to make a perfect planet) and Jaggery does not. IT evens put people to sleep if they are sick as not to infect the rest of the planet. Overall, I think IT is a better leader and that is why I would rather have IT as my leader over Jaggery.
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RRSB
5/30/2013 03:20:01 pm
Fantastic points, Annie. I totally agree with you about having IT as a leader.
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Cookie Monster
6/1/2013 02:46:31 am
I disagree with you Annie. Personally if you think about it would you rather live a day with Jaggery or IT. Here are the two scenerios:
1) If you live with IT for a day you are basially a dead person in someone els's control. You are a ROBOT or a zombie for crying out loud. You are controlled and you don't even know that, that is happening to you. NO more slurpees or what ever you enjoy. EVERYTHING is over.
2) you are living with Jaggery and he is ordering you what to do. You have a CHOICE. You can say whatever you want to say. You can think and do whatver you want to think or do. You get FREEDOM!
Personally I belive that my brain is way more important than ysomeone controlling my body.
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Annie
6/1/2013 03:22:53 am
I respect your opinion, but strongly disagree. Captain Jaggery is evil and will make you work harder than nessecary just because he doesn't like you. His intentions are so far from good. IT on the other hand, allows you to actually live. If you don't know that you're being brainwashed and you are happy, what's the problem? You would think your way it the best way to live and you are ok with your lifestyle. You do have some good points, Cookie Monster, but let me ask you this: Would you rather be tortured and disrespected while doing menial work, with minimal pay, ordered to you by a cruel, murderous captain or would you rather live a life where you are completely happy with your lifestyle and you are living on a planet where everything is organized and whole and your leader is someone who is only trying to make a perfect place for you to live?
Cookie Monster
6/1/2013 07:49:03 am
Thanks for the reply Annie! It's nice to see other opinions too! According to the question you asked earlier, you asked me if I would rather live a life where you are completely happy with your lifestyle. This depends on where you draw the life of hypnotism. I think that if you were hypnotized by IT you would not even be able to realize if you were happy or not. Then again it all depends on where you draw the line.
Annie
6/2/2013 02:21:43 am
Ok, I can see where you are coming from. You're right, it is nice to see what others think and how they feel about certain topics. This one is obviously one that we have to agree to disagree on, but I definitely value your opinion and perspective, Cookie Monster!
Talena
5/29/2013 08:55:30 am
IT rules as a dictator. IT rules and controls everything on planet Camazotz. You could get killed from being different from everybody else. I do not think that I would want to be dead all because I am unique from somebody else. Captain Jaggery rules by fear. Captain Jaggery will scare you into doing your work and jobs properly, and if you mess up you will think that he will punish you. I would rther have Captain Jaggery as my leader. I do not want to die from being different. Even though that Captain Jaggery and IT are bad leaders, I would rather have Captain Jaggery as my leader.
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Annie
5/29/2013 09:41:25 am
"I do not think that I would want to be dead all because I am unique from somebody else." You make a very good point here, Talena. It certainly poses the question "would you rather die or live and be the same as everyone else, without any individuality of your own?" Personally, I would choose the latter. What would you choose?
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Chuck E. Muckle
5/29/2013 11:19:48 am
Both IT and Jaggery want complete control of the people they watch over so they lead a strict reign and with no consideration of how their "followers" really feel nor opinion of them either mostly, like everyone else has said a dictatorship but they both lead in different ways. The most obvious way that Captain Jaggery does things to take control is through the agonizing punishments he gives to the people who does things wrong or disobey him since that strikes the most fear into his crew making the follow him out of fear than respect, but the other less obvious tactic he uses is by toying with the emotions of the crew like when he dresses in fine, high class clothing which subconsciously gives them the idea that he is better than them since they are filthy and smelly another example is when he does punish them however it isn't the physical pain that toys with them it's the mental thought saying that," He can just slap me as hard as he wants and nothing bad will happen to him," making the crew feel that they are small and powerless. Although this type of leadership works for Jaggery it isn't really the type that takes full control of it "victims" like IT. In IT's leadership they put unison, rhythm and painlessness as the top priority. Like Jaggery IT incorporates fear into his/her lead through, again like jaggery, the punishments for disobeying the rhythm since as it is proven by them the best way to contain control. Now for IT, he uses hypnotism to completely control the action and possibly the way of thinking for the citizen which makes them have no freedom for themselves except follow the rthyhm that is played but unlike Jaggery doesn't toy with the people's emotion. IT also believes that there should be no pain and fights on Camazotz, which is ironic given the fact that he punishes people with electricity for breaking rhthym, so it leads him to killing anyone who is sick or old since that causes discomfort peacefully through injection probably. If I were to choose who I would follow if I'm ever forced to pick one is probably Jaggery because although I'm very much likely open to pain I will be able to think and control my body since a life without control of your own body isn't really worth living to me also I think I am able to overthrow Jaggery because he is a human that just is very terrifying while IT is a giant super brain that possibly uses all 100% of its brain that can control almost everyone which honestly makes me feel that my brain isn't strong enough to have a fighting chance to fight and win against IT.
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QWERTY
5/29/2013 01:48:31 pm
Both IT and Jaggery are in control of the people. It rules anything and anything on Camazotz. He is not used to get disobeyed, because he controls everyone on Camazotz by controlling him. If anybody messes up the rhythm, they will be sent to CENTRAL Central Intellegence (I don't remember the name exactly) to be corrected. They wil either be sent back into Camazotz after getting the rhythm right again, or they will die being electricuted after failing the rhythm many times over. Captain Jaggery rules with an iron fist. He whips anyone who opposes him. Using this power, he makes his crew overwork when there is no need to do extra work, and hurts anybody who slacks. From this comparison, I would rather have IT as my leader. Even though I would be hypnotized and under IT's control, I wouldn't be getting whipped for slacking when I haven't had enough sleep/ tired and exhausted from the overworking.
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RRSB
5/30/2013 03:21:14 pm
I agree with you. I would choose IT as well over Jaggery any day.
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Jayfeather
5/29/2013 04:45:31 pm
IT and Captain Jaggery share the tyranny and controlling styles of poor leadership.
Captain Jaggery relies purely on force and wreaking havoc. This makes him a physical hazard, which is much easier to overcome then a mental hazard. A mental hazard take sheer will power and a high level of strength mentally. It's much harder to build up mental strength then physical. I'd rather have Jaggery as my leader. At least my individual views stay in place.I only have to suffer for 3 months. As long as the crew acts together in defiance, he's going down. I'd rather go down fighting the impossible odds then becoming a "souless robot" in sync with another "souless robot"
IT is invulnerable from what we know. You can't fight it unless you have an impenetrable will, that can not be broken. IT simply lets you live life as if you were not mean't to enjoy it nor suffer. Absolute neutral. The difficult, rough times in life (Even if it's a lot for a person.) benifits them in the future if they can withstand it as it builds up a resistance and character, the good things make us either more grateful or greedier depending on how much is obtained in a life time. IT may seem like a better idea, but Captain Jaggery's roughness is far more better then IT's seemingly perfect world. Sure if nobody is different, then there would be no bullying, etc. But without bullying there would be no strength to cope with future issues like a family member's death. With every life being normal, there would be no good or inspiration. Nothing like that. IT simply lets you die if you can not cope with the circumstances that it sets out. I'd choose Captain Jaggery in a heartbeat. I'd rather be different then normal. Different maybe bad to a lot of you, but certainly not for me. I'd rather die early fighting for reason, and live on in someones memory then die doing nothing important or nothing bad.
If we do nothing bad, how can we keep the balance? When nature steps in and does something on it's own, it'd leave people hopeless.
Which begs the question. What would IT do if an earthquake happened? They don't seem prepared. If someone dies they are different.
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Taylorgomez143
5/30/2013 08:58:02 am
Both IT and Captain Jaggery rule as dictators. They both boss around everyone and punish them for doing small mistakes. The only difference is that IT is a brain and hard to overthrow,whereas jaggery is a human that is easy to overthrow. I would rather have jaggery as my leader beacause i feel that if i teamed up with some other people, i could easily overthrow Jaggery
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RRSB
5/30/2013 03:18:27 pm
IT and Jaggery are both dictators.They have control of everything and they can do anything they want. It wouldn't really be different having either as a leader, but Captain Jaggery would be easy to overthrow. IT wants to have perfect planet and rule it. Both have bad ways of getting what they want. They are both cold-blooded. I mean how can you kill innocent people to get what you want. Neither of them have a thing called humanity and so both are devils. It is a brain and therefore over throwing him would be hard. IT, being a computer has no emotions, no feeling, no heart so I wouldn't expect him to be a good person and not hurt people. He is programmed therefore he cannot be changed into a good person. You cannot make a computer feel however Jaggery is a human and he decides on being so harsh to everyone. He treats them like nobody ever deserves to be treated. He can decide if he wants to be a better person and not be so cold blooded, but he chooses not to. He is a devil and I would rather have a computer as my leader than a heartless monster.
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Sherlock Holmes
5/30/2013 11:47:13 pm
I don't think that they are devils. Captain Jaggery had some emotion and humanity at the beginning of the book to Charlotte, but now they have a very intense rivalry and hatred between each other. I agree that IT is sort of a devil. He doesn't care who he kills and has no sympathy for them at all. But IT isn't really a computer. He is a brain that makes his followers act like computers.
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Chuck E. Muckle
5/31/2013 12:02:14 pm
I like how you made the analogy between IT and a computer since it is true they have no emption what so ever, but isn't it weird that IT wants the citizens to be happy and without pain by using unison, so it sort of gives you the impression that it does actually have feelings for others even if they way he/she does it is really different in a bad way. What does anyone else think, does IT really have some emotion and feelings deep down inside?
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Hermione Granger
6/1/2013 03:01:03 am
No, I don't think that IT has any emotions, because I think that IT is trying to make it act like it cares so it can trick you into getting hypnotized. So it basically wants you to think that it cares for you... to HYPNOTIZE you.
Hermione Granger
6/1/2013 03:16:21 am
Also, as Hagrid had mentioned in class, a brain is supposed to represent wisdom but, a heart is supposed to represent emotions. Since IT is a brain without a heart, I don't think it has any emotions. That's probably what the author meant about IT, a dictator who controls everybody, but doesn't see or feel what it is doing to everybody.
Cookie Monster
6/1/2013 02:40:37 am
In my opinion, both IT and Jaggery are horrible leaders and complete KNUCKLEHEADS! IT controls everything.... so we have nothing to do or care about. Captain Jaggery rules everybody with his dumb anger issues and basically kills you if you break the rules. Your asking me where I would rather live, right know, know where. IT does not give you anything! In his mind he is protecting you. But really he is just proteting a thing ((your body) which you have no control over. Jaggery is just controling you so he can stay alive on the ship and get the work done. Also, for punishments IT has no emotion he just puts people them to sleep. Jaggery is a person and has a heart (which I find very hard to believe). You can convince him to let you stay alive. You have more of a chance of living through a punishment if you were living on the ship. Yes, you may get whippped once or twice but you can defend your self. IT controls you, you have no word in what is happeneing to you. Overall, I think both of these leaders are KNUCKLEHEADS. But if I had to choose between them, I would choose Captain Jaggery because he lets you live for who you are. I would rather live with my brain, my thoughts, my freedom, and my way of living, rather than someone controling me and my body. It's basically torture every single day of your life when you are under the control of IT. At least with Captain Jaggery you have the freedom of doing WHATEVER you want. Even if it is wrong.
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Hermione Granger
6/1/2013 04:43:38 am
Well, I can start off by saying that both IT and Captain Jaggery are dictators. IT is a brain that uses hypnotism to make people obey it. IT gives people a second chance if they make a mistake, but as a severe consequence, it would just put them to "sleep." As with Captain Jaggery, he works his crew way too hard where they even want revenge against him. If he thinks they're getting to lazy or he doesn't like the way they are working, he gives them a severe punishment (like breaking someone's arm or beating up someone hard with a whip.) He believes hard (extremely hard) work is the way to go. So in my opinion, I would rather have IT as my leader. I do understand that I would have to obey it's commands and be in unison. I would also have to give up my freedom, individuality, and privacy, but it would be so much better than getting treated harshly all your life or suffering when you are dying. So thats why I'd rather have IT as my leader.
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Hugo Cabret
6/1/2013 04:52:27 am
IT is a brain that you cannot stop. Captain Jaggery is a dictator that gives you no choice in life. IT has good intentions but he doesn't follow through with them the right way. He wants Camazotz to be a perfect place but he doesn't realize that individuality is something to admire. Captain Jaggery will make you suffer if you don't follow his rules. I would rather have Captain Jaggery as a leader because at least you are a human. With IT you can't even think right. You could atleast go against Captain Jaggery.
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MusicManiac44
6/1/2013 05:56:45 am
Having to choose one of them to be my leader is terrible because both of them are dictators and they do not really care for anyone but themselves. IT just controls everybody on Camazotz and makes them act and talk the way he wants them to. Though, if you had always lived on Camazotz, you would not even really care because that's how life is for them and it is way better than having to stay on a ship with a captain like Captain Jaggery. That does not mean that IT does not punish the people because he does when they get out of rhythm. He puts them in a box room and gives them a shock or something like that until they can get back into rhythm. But nobody ever falls sick on that planet or it is said when somebody does, letting them live and give them medicine would not be a option because they would just put them straight to sleep. In other words, that's how they would die so the sickness does not affect the people around. For the old people when they wold stop functioning well enough to stay in rhythm, They to would die by being put to sleep. Captain Jaggery though gives the crew a really tough time and has no feelings for anyone even though he is a human except for people like him. When they do something that they should not have done, he gives them punishments where he just kills them, whips them like he did to Zachariah, or throws them overboard. Maybe he could give them even a less wage than before and they had only had a little bit to start off with in the first place. Leaving the rest of the crew, to work harder than before. But here the crew members have a chance to fight back to him because there are more of them and there is only one captain on the ship besides the 1 and 2 mate. So they do sort of have and advantage but the captain has all the different types of guns with him, so he could kill them all in a instant if he wanted to. So if I had to choose between either of them I would choose IT because if I tried to attack him it would not work because he is the one controlling me and I would have no say against him and if I ever did try, He would just probably put me to sleep in a flash.