I agree that it's all the crew's fault and they are the people to blame. They were the ones who wanted to take revenge on Captain Jaggery, and these are the consequences. Captain Jaggery is on to them now, and they might plan to get rid of Charlotte, since she snitched on them. It's also Captain Jaggery's fault too. He went into a rage of fury and killed someone! He has to take part of the blame too. And Charlotte wasn't very smart to eavesdrop on the crew before she knocked on the door. She got herself into trouble too. One of the crew members indirectly threatened her before she went into Captain Jaggery's cabin to tell him about everything that happened.
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Cookie Monster
5/15/2013 12:30:55 pm
Sherlock holmes, I get your point of view, but I completely disagree with you. I believe it is Captain's Jaggery's fault. If he wasn't so mean and cruel to his crew none of this would have happened in the first place. You also said that it was a bad idea to have eavesdropped on the crew, but that's what the captain had asked her to do and plus she was only checking to see if her life was in danger. I also think it is a good thing that she told captain Jaggery because all she knew was that a round robin could put her life in danger. Even though a crew member threatened her, she still had the guts to tell Captain Jaggery what had happened. This is just my point of view and I am not trying to go against you or anything.
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Pandora
5/15/2013 01:10:55 pm
I agree with you Cookie Monster because if Captain Jaggery wasn't so cruel and demanding order after order the crew wouldn't have been over whelmed with all the work and wouldn't be planning on the murder plus that way they would reach their destination faster with the crew working an easy suitable job on the Seahawk
Roy(DB)
5/15/2013 01:48:38 pm
Cookie Monster the only reason I agree with Sherlock is because the crew did plan the round robin and that's what caused jiggery to react.
Tweety Bird
5/16/2013 03:27:31 am
i agree with you sherlock holmes great answer.
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RRSB
5/16/2013 10:01:41 am
I understand you may have a different perspective, but I think it's not all the crew's fault. I mean they had been a bit violent, but the captain he went overboard. He murdered which is absolutely the opposite of what he should have been doing. He should have been more civilized and talked it out, after all he is the captain, and it is his duty to be fair to all.
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MusicManiac44
5/14/2013 01:45:01 pm
I partially agree that it was the crew's fault but some of it was the captains fault as well. When Charlotte had gone to the forecastle they should not have let her enter but instead bring her back the needle so that she was not able to see the gun and on her way back out, see the round robin paper. The captain was also at fault because when Charlotte told him about the round robin he got so angry that right away, he went to the deck with guns in his hands and called the crew. When they did come, Captain Jaggery killed Cranick and made Mr. Hollybrass throw him off the ship. Captain Jaggery should not have done that because maybe later on the crew could end up doing it all over again because he killed their crew member. But in the end the crew as well should not have been holding guns and knives when they got on deck because if they had not, maybe Captain Jaggery may not have killed anyone and thought that Charlotte was lying. So both are kind of at fault for the mess that they were in.
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Sherlock Holmes
5/15/2013 11:23:25 am
I agree that Charlotte shouldn't have been allowed near or in the forecastle. The captain warned her not to go there, because it is a bad place for her. I disagree that it doesn't matter whether the crew had guns or knives or not. It only matters that Captain Jaggery had something to protect himself with. He shouldn't have used his weapon, but it's always handy to have on on you at serious times like that.
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Luno
5/15/2013 08:49:12 am
I think its both the captains and the crews fault because 1) the captain is very cruel and mean and treats the crew like garbage and absolutey hates them. 2) He should find a different way to manage his ship and get the crew to respect him and they should respect him back. 3) Its the crews fault because when Charlotte went to visit the forecastle to fetch the needle for Ewing and saw the gun the crew should have not let her inside in the first place to start this whole mess because the crew some how new that Charlotte is sorta spying on them. 4) also they shouldn't aprouch the captain with guns and swords demanding they get treated better. instead of that they should have just went to talk to him whit out weapons so then no one who get killed.
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Sherlock Holmes
5/15/2013 11:28:21 am
I don't think Captain Jaggery treats his crew like garbage and hates them. He is just very strict and wants things to get done. That's what most great captains do, they are very strict and not soft. I do agree that Captain Jaggery should find a different way to manage the ship and make the crew respect him more. I think the crew plots against him because he might have a bad reputation, or might have done something bad in the past. He should manage the ship in a way that appeals to the crew.
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Annie
5/15/2013 09:47:40 am
I think that it is not the crew`s fault at all. If I was a crew member on the Seahawk and I was treated the same way they were by Captain Jaggery, I would sign the round robin too! All that the crew was doing was standing up for themselves. They didn't like the way Captain Jaggery was treating them so they decided to kill him. In our time, that seems very harsh, but back then it wasn't as bad considering the circumstances. I think they could've done a better job of hiding it though because if they knew Charlotte was friends with Jaggery then they probably knew that she would tell on them if she found anything fishy. When she wanted to come into the forecastle, they should've hid the round robin and Ewing shouldn't have allowed Charlotte to go get the needle if he knew there was a pistol in his box. Although this is true, I still think it is all Captain Jaggery's fault. He is the one who walked out on the deck with weapons in his hand. He is the one who killed a man and dumped his body into the sea. He is the one who threatened to kill many others. Sure, these were the people who were going to take over and kill him, but he could've had a different, more civilized approach that wouldn't have gotten them into this mess. It is also partially Charlotte's fault because instead of being loyal to the crew, she was loyal to Captain Jaggery and got the whole crew in trouble. If Captain Jaggery hadn't found out, none of that would've happened. I think that she should've sided with the crew because I bet she will regret her decision later on in the book.
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RRSB
5/16/2013 10:03:33 am
I absolutely agree. I think Charlotte is the person who has caused all this, because she couldn't be loyal, but the poor girl didn't know who to believe. However I think she should have sided with the crew as well, it would only help her.
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Talena
5/15/2013 09:51:44 am
I partly believe that it is the crews fault and Captain Jaggery's fault. I believe that it is the crews fault for being in this mess that they are in because at the beginning it was their choice to leave home and go on sea. It is the crews fault for being in this mess because they wanted to punish Captain Jaggery and then Captain Jaggery is now punishing them. This may also put Charlotte Doyle in danger because she is the one who told Captain Jaggery. I also believe that it is Captain Jaggery's fault because it is his fault for being a mean and cruel captain.
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Cookie Monster
5/15/2013 11:34:03 am
I disagree, because if Capttain Jaggery changed as a person the crew would not be so against him. For example, if you were in a class and the teacher was the most, cruel, unfair and life-taking teacher ever, wouldn't you want to get out of the class no matter what comes in your way. I'm sure I would. I understand the fact that Captain Jaggery is just doing his job strictly. Which in some perspectives can be good. But if you just try to think what would happen if Captain Jaggery became a more polite and non-punishing type of person. (less strict) Things like the round robin wouldn't happen.
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Taylorgomez143
5/15/2013 12:28:02 pm
I party agree on this statement
It is partly the crews fault that they chose to go on the voyage. They knew it was not safe and that the ship might sink or they could meet other dangers. They knew that captain jaggery was unpleasant.
The crew should have gotten another job if the captain bothered them.
I also think that its Captain jaggery's fault. If Captain could have been a better person from the start,they eouldnt be in this mess.if the crew wasnt mad at him,because of his strictness, they wouldnt have signed that red robin.
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Chuck E. Muckle
5/15/2013 12:44:34 pm
I would disagree and say that the captain should be blamed for the mess that was created. The captain was very cruel when it came to the punishment of Cranick and that its was so severe that it even had to be amputated, so it's only obvious that the crew would come for revenge since the crew is mostly made up of poor, possibly un-educated and unreligious men so they wouldn't really know much better than to seek revenge when their friend is harmed despite the consequences but however the captain being a very well educated gentleman must have known that this was going to happen and acted in the heat of the moment just because he was mad. To sum it all up, it was Captain Jaggery's fault that the mess was created and not the crew (in my opinion).
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Sherlock Holmes
5/16/2013 01:09:29 pm
You gave a very strong argument. Great job!
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Cynthia
5/15/2013 01:15:18 pm
It isn't completely the captains fault for the mess.
Why it is partly his fault: The captain is very strict and rude. He cut off the arm of a crew worker. He dragged Charlotte and yelled at her. He repeatedly asked Charlotte, a young girl to choose a punishment for the second in charge. In my opinion, the captain was only only nice to Charlotte at the beginning so that she would be his eyes and ears.
Why it's partly the crews fault : the crew were too open about their plan. They shouldn't have been talking about anything during the day (when Charlotte was at the door) they should have discussed it at night. They should have hidden weapons and papers under mattresses. It was also the crews choice to go on aboard with captain jaggery again. They could have just left the subject and not work for jaggery. No one (Zachariah ) should have told Charlotte a single story or their plan.
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Roy(DB)
5/15/2013 01:43:42 pm
I agree because the crew obviously pushed captain jaggery's buttons so obviously he's going to react to scare the crew so they don't try anything.
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RRSB
5/16/2013 09:58:20 am
Yes, I agree he would try to scare them but violence is his way of scaring. Honestly, violence makes everything worse though the captain, I guess has a different perspective.
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QWERTY
5/15/2013 02:05:35 pm
I would agree that it is the crew's fault for the mess they are in right now. If they had not plotted revenge on Jaggery, they wouldn't be in this mess. Cranick has already been killed, and it's looking like Zachariah will be killed, too. If they really wanted to kill Jaggery, they should have done it in a more secretive way.
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Luigi
5/15/2013 02:57:25 pm
I believe that it is both the captain's fault and the crew's fault. If stuff goes wrong on the ship, the captain is usually to blame, but in this case, he should take partial responsibility. The crew has to take blame too because they are the people who messed up.
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$UPERMAN
5/15/2013 03:11:15 pm
In my opinion it is both of their faults for the mess they are in but i think it is more the crews fault. i think that because the crew discussed their plan during the day and made it really easy fro Charlotte to eavesdrop. also eh crew didn't hide their weapons well enough because when Charlotte was going to get the needle, she saw the pistol. so that's why i think its more the crews fault and less Captain Jaggery's fault.
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Tweety Bird
5/16/2013 03:32:57 am
I agree, i think it is the crew's and the Captain's fault. this is because they wanted revenge on the captain. They should have known that the captain would find out and they would be in deep trouble. The crew didn't even plan there so called revenge in a secret format. i also think the captain did have a part in there fault because he was treating the crew like dirt and not showing them any respect either. If the captain treated the crew nicely this would not have happened
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Sherlock Holmes
5/16/2013 09:41:52 am
Great answer Tweety Bird!!
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RRSB
5/16/2013 09:55:27 am
I would say both are at fault in this situation. The crew were obviously forced to react this way, because of how dreadfully they were treated. It wasn't the crew's fault they signed a round robin. I think anyone who is treated that awfully would sign one.The captain has forced them to act this way so he is at fault, but cannot be fully accused as well. The captain had also done many horrible things including treating the crew like animals. He murdered a human being or shall I say beings and didn't even regret it one bit. What kind of person is he? Instead he blames it on others.
Everyone is at fault, but obviously the crew and captain are not dealing with this very well.
The crew and captain should talk about it like sophisticated people though instead they chose violence however someone once said,"Violence is never the answer."
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Hermione Granger
5/16/2013 01:49:53 pm
Totally agree! I think the crew shouldn't have tried to use violence to get revenge on the captain. I also like your quote!
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Hermione Granger
5/16/2013 01:45:09 pm
I disagree with this statement, because I think the captain and the crew should both be blamed for the mess they are in. The captain should get blamed, because the captain doesn't treat the crew fairly. His harsh punishments and cruel attitude are agitating the crew and getting them fed up with his behavior... but the crew isn't innocent either. At this part, I totally agree with RRSB. The crew shouldn't have tried to use violence against the captain. They should get blamed as well, because they made a round robin and wanted revenge on the captain. They should have instead used their WITS (walk away, ignore, talk it out, and seek help). So in this situation, both the crew and captain should get blamed.
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strawberrymiki (:
5/17/2013 01:29:33 pm
I agree and disagree with this statement, because I believe both the crew members and the Captain Jaggery should be blamed for the mess chaos they have caused on the ship.
First off, it would be Captain Jaggery's fault because if he hadn't been so cocky in the first place, the crew members would have never thought about hurting him or attacking the ship in any way. Because of the reckless acts of Captain Jaggery, he had treated the crew like his puppets or slaves that would always listen to his every command, without giving them a break. He spoke to his crew with no respect, and used violence to punish them whenever they "did something wrong", but mostly because he has anger issues and cannot control his emotions. Of course, this would have triggered their anger and wanted to do the same to Captain Jaggery for his horrible actions towards them. As well as Captain Jaggery had also badly injured one of their dearest crew members, Cranick, I understand the crew would've wanted to take revenge on the Captain.
Second, I also blame the crew for their foolish and reckless actions to fight against the Captain. They should have thought with more detail and planned out their actions, as they knew what Captain Jaggery was capable of doing. The crew members should have never came out with their weapons and threatened the Captain, as this resulted in the Captain feeling offended and furious, so of course he would've killed Cranick. I think the better choice would've been for them to try and report this issue to judges or police when they actually got back on land. Their timing and place for the trial and attack was very, very poorly chosen.
Therefore, I would agree more that it is Captain Jaggery's fault in the first place that everything had started.